Why Tuesday?

Why Tuesday?

Flaw:

There was a piece on NPR this morning about a number of controversies in states throughout the US. Apparently, there are rules on the books in some states that require ballots cast in the wrong district to be thrown out, other states allow them to be counted.

Some argue that allowing out of district votes would be a logistical nightmare, and should be disallowed. The counter-argument is that people who work in a different district than they live end up unable to vote because they can't get back to their district in time to cast a ballot.

It seems reasonable, for the sake of holding orderly elections with timely results that people should cast their ballots in their home district. But, it's also not fair to disenfranchise those who are forced to work during the voting hours. (I suspect, unfortunately, that we'll be hearing that d-word a lot over the next month or so.)

The real problem, in my opinion, is that we hold our elections on Tuesdays, right in the middle of the work week. In a country that has trouble getting half of it's electorate out to the polls for presidential elections, why on earth do we hold elections on such an inconvenient day?

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e lo's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

Colin wrote:

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so rather than kill you, we'll just wait for you to die, since you can't reproduce.

'Cause, like, opinions are heritable and all. Thanks, Lamarcke. B)

sundaykofax's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

http://hr.cch.com/default.asp?subframe=/press/releases/100902a.asp

There you go- this is a site that outlines the state-by-state rules on voting day. There's even a link that explains each state's rules.

In Ill, any voter gets up to two hours during polling hours. We don't necessarily get paid, and the employer can specify the times. Oh, we have to give written advance notice that we'll be leaving two hours early to get our drink on- I mean- vote.

I wonder if voting would increase or decrease if we had a national holiday. I might forget to vote. Those who are oblivious to the politicking can blithly miss November 2, so a holiday would gently remind them that they live in a great country, and they should vote to keep it that way.

I'm not opposed to taking the 2nd off. We could have an election-eve bash, wake up at noon, grab some heuvos, and VOTE.

Colin's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

I'm all for the national holiday for voting. It's retarded that we don't have it that way, just for increased voter turnout. I'm happy about increased new voter registration that I keep reading about, but we can do even better. Honestly, I don't think an election should be valid unless it's confirmed that 75% of the electorate participated.

/Logical non-facist thinking done, please proceed to next level

Also, you guys might want to consider my model of government I've been designing in my spare time. SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP! ala Starship Troopers. You don't get to be a citizen unless you are in the armed forces or serve the country for several years in another role.

The preg virus, an engineered virus I've perfected to make everyone sterile unless they receive my antigen, will be released worldwide. So in the end, SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP (and a baby if you want), because all you damn non-citizens sure as hell aren't going to eat up the resources my citizens need, so rather than kill you, we'll just wait for you to die, since you can't reproduce.

SUCKERS! :mad:

e lo's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

I call shennanigans. I think that the logistical difficulties would render this essentially impossible. I know that our vote is currently safeguarded tenuously at best, but voting at work, either with paper ballots or electronically, leaves the vote wide open to be hijacked. But if you really, really want to vote at work, you can. Just get an absentee ballot, and mail that shiz in from work.

wadsbone's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

Good point. Making it possible to vote at work or, at least, drastically increasing the number of polling stations would be a more "American" solution to the problem. "We work AND we vote. None of that European, socialist voter holiday crap." I like European, socialist voter holidays myself, but I agree that we should be able to figure out other ways to make it more accessible.

Alec Eiffel's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

It's outrageous. You should be able to vote at work, for calamity's sake.

wadsbone's picture

Re:Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

I'm too lazy at the moment to look it up, but I'd be surprised if such a law exists, and a right and good law it is (or would be.) However, just because you can take time off to get to the polls, doesn't mean you can afford to take time off to go to the polls.

That also doesn't do anything to alleviate the fact that it's just less convenient to go to the polls on a workday. I think we'll all be better off if we get more people invloved in the government of our country, and anything we can do to make it easier is a good thing. If we can even make it a special occasion with the holiday idea, people will be all over that 'cracy. I've got a list of other things that I think ought to change to make put the dem back in democracy, but that's be a good start.

e lo's picture

Flaw in the flaw, or am I bluffing?

I believe that it is federal law that all 'Mericans are allowed to take enough time off on election day for the casting of ballots, without fear of being disemploychised.

But I could very well be misinformed.

wadsbone's picture

+1 on a National Holiday

I had that thought about the National holiday, too. It gets around religious issues with Saturdays and Sundays, not to mention the fact that we could all have sweet parties. It'd have to be a serious holiday, though. None of this Columbus day crap where everyone has to work anyway. Things should be SHUT DOWN. I suppose you'd have to have a few people on the job in the essential services areas, but I don't even want to be able to buy food. I want to vote and then get drunk with my friends.

Wait a minute. Who needs a holiday, anyway? I think I'm just going to take that day off. Anyone else in Chicago want to skip work on Tuesday the second, vote and then have a party all day?

Gesundheit, America.

Alec Eiffel's picture

Re:Why Tuesday?

Agreed. I like Geoffrey's national holiday idea. But here's what really irks me: How goddamn difficult is it to really make this system work? In district, out of district should not be an issue at all. The world banking system always comes to mind. Somehow with hundreds of countries using different currencies in every corner of the globe, with people making millions of transactions a day, somehow things work out pretty well. If Uncle Lenny finds his account is 43 cents short this week, he can get the problem fixed immediately with no fuss whatsoever. The books stay balanced. But somehow, with voting, all the kings horses and all the kings lobbyists can't seem to find a way to deal with this overwhelming and intractable logistical mess. What a bunch of HS.

Gee, I wonder why banks work so much better than polling places? What is it about banks anyway? Hmmmm..... Talk about F'd up priorities.

Keester's picture

Re:Why Tuesday?

I always wondered why not just make it Saturday and Sunday. That should circumvent 99% of the religious issues cited for not having it on weekends.